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http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1998/98GL00251.shtml
Recent increase in the length of the melt season of perennial Arctic sea ice Douglas M. Smith Quote:
A recent NASA article http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...lt-season.html Quote:
Just to confuse the issue a little more a 2004 article. http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?...I%3E2.0.CO%3B2 Quote:
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And deniers cannot explain this away with wind piling up sea ice along one end of the Arctic Basin, or warmer waters from the positive phase of the PDO, or shifting ocean circulation patterns.
The PDO is now decidedly negative: ![]()
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http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html
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Arctic Sea Ice Thinning
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/200...JC005312.shtml Thinning and volume loss of the Arctic Ocean sea ice cover: 2003–2008 R. Kwok and others Quote:
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Sea Ice Minimum 2010,
What is your guess for the sea ice minimum. No prize just bragging rights. Unless anyone has a better ides lets use the September average as published by NSDIC. I'll start the ball rolling: 4 million sq kms (ie record low) References not required but appreciated.
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ce-exodus.html
Arctic arch failure leads to sea-ice exodus 26 February 2010 by Kate Ravilious Quote:
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During the 1980s, the average rate of ice growth for January was approximately 90,000 square kilometers (35,000 square miles) per day. Including 2010, the average for the 2000s is 39,000 square kilometers (15,000 square miles) per day. (http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/). During January 2010, ice extent grew at an average of 34,000 square kilometers (13,000 square miles) per day. As Tony has pointed out, the summer melt season is lengthening. If this year continues the trend (and there is no reason to believe otherwise), then the chances for a record low summer minimum is greater. And with the low rate of ice growth this year, it appears it is possible that the minimum summer sea ice extent in 2010 could actually be lower than 2007. Coupling the longer melt season with the higher sea surface temperatures in the Arctic (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/ ) indicates a longer season of more intense daily melting. In addition, Kwok et al. (2010; http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/201...GL041872.shtml) points out that: Quote:
The record low for January was actually in 2006. We all know that 2007 had the record low summer sea ice extent on September 18, 2007 at 4.13 million km2. The sea ice extent for 2009-2010 has been tacking the 2006-2007 sea ice extent thus far, at times behind the 06-07 line, and at times ahead of that line. So, just based on that, it appears 2010 will be very close to the record of 2007. So, given the trend in decreasing multiyear ice, the decreasing rate of winter ice growth, the lengthening melt period, the higher sea surface temperatures in the Arctic, the failure of arch growth in the Nares Strait, and the tacking of ice extent of this year with the record of 2007, at this point, it appears there is a good chance that this year will reach a record low summer sea ice extent. Therefore, I agree with Tony that the minimum sea ice extent this year will be below the 4.13 million sq kms. I don't mean to cop out on making a different guess, but his guess of about 4 million sq kms seems reasonable to me, given the situation as I described above.
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My bid, based on pure pessimism alone, is 3.8 million square kilometres.
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After all that talk I've decided to go a little conservative and say 4.05 million sq km. That's my final answer.
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In March of this year the Arctic went through a cold spike and the sea ice extent reached near the average extent established for 1979 through 2000. However, the rate of sea ice melting accelerated significantly in May, so that as of now the Arctic sea ice extent is actually below that experienced during May of 2007.
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Yes but the sea ice volumes are still screaming downwards.
Climate Progress's take. http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/2...steve-goddard/ The loss of multi year ice is significant. And the Rabett has an opinion. http://rabett.blogspot.com/2010/05/w...cold-snap.html Also points to ice volumes. Accuweather did not see a problem on May 10. http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/cli...-arctic-se.asp http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html on 6 May Quote:
Record low still looks a good prediction. But we all predicted a record low.
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The low volume and thinner ice cover is conducive to rapid changes in sea ice extent. Due to a cooler than average March, Arctic sea ice extent rapidly increased to near the average for the 1979 to 2000 period. However, that ice was extremely thin and extremely vulnerable to even a relatively short warm period, as evidenced by the rapid decline in sea ice extent beginning near the end of April and extending to the present. Clearly, young thin ice is far more vulnerable to large changes in extent.
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http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html
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http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Sea ice extent The latest value : 9,578,281 sq km (June 22, 2010) Or if you prefer sea ice area 7.884 million sq km http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ Sea ice extent does not take out the holes inside the ice areas. And the multi year ice? Rotten http://umanitoba.ca/news/blogs/blog/...-goes-missing/ Quote:
I have just realise that I did not specify ice area or ice extent, but NSDIC is ice extent.
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http://www.scientificblogging.com/ch..._ice_june_2010
An interesting analysis of ice quality and extent. Another who thinks this year is very different, there are disturbing signs of considerably increased ice mobility. It would not take much for our estimates of a record low to be way off the mark. The record low could easily be much worse. Now all we need is an update of http://www.springerlink.com/content/t662290qju75j657/ Examples of ice pack rigidity and mobility characteristics determined from ice motion James K. Lewis1, Ronald E. Englebretson2 and Warren W. Denner2 Quote:
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http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
The latest value : 9,123,594 km2 (June 27, 2010) http://climateprogress.org/2010/06/2...comment-282675 Quote:
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I had thought the late increase in sea ice extent surprising but a good thing. Surprising yes good no, the increase in extent appears to be a very early export of ice from the Arctic Basin. Ladies and gentlemen we are witnessing history, maybe not the end of summer sea ice yet, but is is going to be very very low. Just look at the difference in sea ice concentrations today compared to Patrick Lockerby's blog (Chatterbox) just a few days ago.
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The loss of Arctic sea ice has only been noticed over the last few decades right?
How about this then; "A decrease in ice, due to the heating of the Arctic region is also noticable in the East Spitzbergen area." Arctic Sea Ice, published by the National Academy of Sciences and the National Research Council in 1958 Some intersting stuff, might go back if I can find it.
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From JAXA
The latest value : 8,983,125 km2 (June 28, 2010) one day loss 140,469 sq km and over 70 days until the melt season ends.
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The latest value : 8,907,656 km2 (June 29, 2010) JAXA ice extent
Phew not as bad. Figures are subject to review, so I suppose single day changes are not really relevant. But I am going to anyway Cyrosphere has the ice area at 6.784 milllion sq km and they don't put the date on that figure. Is the ice extent - ice area difference bigger than ususal?
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So, just based on that, it appears 2010 will be very close to the record of 2007. 

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