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Thank you, Sinimod, for keeping us up to date . . . you and Tony! There is such a wealth of infomation to be found on this site, continously updated. Thanks for all your hard work
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gaiasdaughter, you are most welcome. I, and I know Tony, feel a sense of duty to pass on what we learn about climate change and what is happening to our planet. I know all of us long time manpollo members share a sense of urgency that we want to pass along to new members and visitors to our site; and that the risk to humanity of not acting, that Greg so eloquently explained in his videos and book, is too great.
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http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cf...s.xml&rst=2934
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Air Temperature and Anthropogenic Forcing: Insights from the Solid Earth Jean O. Dickey and Steven L. Marcus Quote:
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I don't see the point in paying to get the full article (I'm pretty confident that the detail would go way over my head). The abstract is: Quote:
The page is from sciencemag.com (I'm not familiar with that journal, myself). Is that well respected? There's an AAAS logo, and the site links to aaas.org - does that mean that the content is accredited by the American Association for the Advancement of Science? The page the abstract is on says: Quote:
There are three other articles that cite this one. Is that a good sign? (I think it is, but then no doubt yer av'rage d'nier will start wibbling about 'groupthink'). I don't really want answers, I'm really just exploring my own ignorance (while thinking of the multitudes who have mistaken faith in the credibility of the 'Oregon Petition' without being aware of the true facts). I found this blog that claims that the article doesn't reveal anything new (though the typos in that blog post suggest to me that it was written in haste - the author seems over-anxious to point out 'we said it first, in our book'). NASA seems to think it's not wrong. Quote:
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Currently, there appears to be external and internal forcings that cause global cooling. Active forcings that engender cooling are decreased total solar irradiance, reduction in the concentration of stratospheric water vapor, a possible slight weakening of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, the transition to the negative phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, and two of the Milankovitch Cycles that are progressing toward cooling phases and eventually the next ice age. Around the year 2000 the rate of warming might have slowed somewhat, but despite these cooling influences, the planet continues to warm.
The globe continues on its warming trend But the rate of warming appears to have temporarily slowedAs is well understood, the total solar irradiance of the sun has decreased during the period of satellite measurements (Lockwood and Frolich, 2007), and sunspot activity has declined since the maximum of solar cycle 19 (reference here). Solomon etal 2009 reported a significant decline in the concentration of stratospheric water vapor since about 2000. They suggest that this reduction has acted to reduce global temperatures below what they would have been had there been no reduction in stratospheric water vapor concentraion. Keenlyside etal 2008 has suggested that the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC), although conceding that it is difficult to assess, has substantially weakened during the last decade. Based on hindcasting, they maintain that there has been and will continue to be a slowing of the meridional overturning circulation in the Atlantic. Keenlyside etal suggested this has caused a reduction in North Atlantic sea surface temperatures (SST) and the AMOC will continue to weaken, reaching a long-term mean within the next decade. The weakening of the AMOC might contribute a reduction in sea surface temperatures in the North Atlantic Ocean and a concomitant cooling of European and North American surface temperature, although as Lozier, 2010 stated “no observational study to date has been able to successfully link sea-surface temperature changes with overturning changes”. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has transitioned into its negative phase, which appears to favor La Niña formation (reference here), which promote lower global temperatures. Although there is much doubt for this (see 1940s-1970s revisited?), some scientists believe the PDO was a major cause for the early decline and subsequent flatlining of the 1945-1976 period. If that is the case, this time there has been no decline, but possibly a slowdown in the rate of temperature rise. On top of all that, the two most important Milankovitch cycles affecting glacial cycles are both tending toward cooling and the gradual descent into another glacial period. The shape of the earth’s orbit is becoming more elliptical, and the tilt is decreasing, both processes favoring colder longer winters in the Northern Hemisphere, thus increasing the probability of ice cover surviving during summers at higher northern latitudes. These orbital processes will continue their cooling influence for literally tens of thousands of years. However, the effects of increased CO2 in the atmosphere could alter climate for over a thousand years, offsetting the cooling influence of the shape of the earth’s orbit around the sun and the tilt of earth’s rotation relative to the plane of the sun’s radiation. Given all of these processes, the average global temperature should be in significant decline. Yet temperatures continue to rise, although slower than predicted for the last decade. This gives strong testament to the climate forcing power of humanity as the anthropogenically induced increase in atmospheric CO2 and other greenhouse gases, agricultural operations, and changes in land cover have overcome all of the forces currently aligned to cool the planet; and possibly provides testament as to the weak effects of some processes (ie. PDO, solar). As some of these cooling processes change or fade in influence, the rate of temperature increase could skyrocket. Perhaps there is still time to change the way we interact with the planet before the worst effects become inevitable?
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Another cause of cooling not mentioned above is the dramatically increased emissions of sulfur from the growth of Asian industry.
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The globe continues on its warming trend
But the rate of warming appears to have temporarily slowed
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